Frontier Former Editor

September 20, 2007

In our continuing, spotty coverage of Election ’08 . . .

Filed under: Election '08, humor, invertebrates, national health care, politics, Rudy Giuliani — Frontier Former Editor @ 11:14 am

The best argument I’ve yet seen for a national health care system in the United States:

“Giuliani in NHS blast

By Emily Cook 20/09/2007

US presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani blasted the NHS yesterday on a visit to London.

The former mayor of New York said: “I had prostate cancer seven years ago. My chance of survival in the US is 82 per cent; my chance of survival if I was here in England is below 50 per cent.”

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9 Comments »

  1. “My chance of survival in the US is 82 per cent”

    Uh yeah, with gazillions of buckerinos to *ahem* back him up (and yes, I did get the joke).

    How long does it take the average US American to even get in to see a specialist?

    A friend of mine in California is seriously trying to avoid a second heart attack after the first one left her with a $60,000 hospital bill she is constantly being hounded for by scurrilous debt hounding agencies. What?

    You’d think that THE MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD would at least look after their citizens with a national health care system that didn’t turn people away from the hospital doors if their credit card were maxed. But nope.

    National health care systems are inefficient behemoths at worst but at least they are there for the people who really need them. Is there any other western democratic country that doesn’t have a national health care system? I’ve always thought the US was the only one. I could be wrong.

    Okay, shutting up now. 🙂

    Comment by azahar — September 20, 2007 @ 12:19 pm

  2. Avast there, my Hearties

    No, Mrs Noggin, it’s not OK – we are dealing with issues of life or death – too many Americans are being miserabilized or dying before they should

    Please forgive my impertinence, but you have something interesting to say …. and FFE’s visitors are glad you are saying it

    Here in Inglaterra, the NHS is a vast Monster which is consuming a vast proportion of the UK’s GDP [Gross National Product] and it seems beyond human (or even Aquilan) comprehension or rational management

    However, for all its ghastly inefficiencies & mismanagements, the NHS is (generally) there when you need it

    …. AND if I have a Heart Attack or enjoy Cancer …. or even just high blood pressure …. at least my Family will not be bankrupted by medical bills

    …. AND it’s wonderful how the “Lower Orders” (err … the Little People, at the Sharp End, but at the bottom of the Salary Scales – in Americanisch “Nurses, Physio=Therapists etc” ) shew such a Kindly Humanity und Sympathy to suffering humans

    It’s the Triumph of the Human Spirit over the System

    I have the honour, Senora, to remain your obedient servant etc

    G Eagle

    Comment by G Eagle Esq — September 20, 2007 @ 1:06 pm

  3. Sometimes the good must be inefficient. I’ve seen enough in the last few months how privatised health care works, and if Gordon Brown had any backbone he would have shown Rudy the door for being an arrogant, ill-mannered ass.

    Besides, the NHS delivered my brother in 1967, so it can’t be all bad. And I benefitted from the U.S. military’s health care system for dependents as well, despite its fiscal inefficiency and lack of market-force steerage.

    All this damned talk of private-public partnership in bringing health care to the masses is bullshit, pure and simple. Hillary Clinton, Rudy Giuliani and all their pre-presidential ilk deserve a collective left hook to the jaw for their pandering and simpering and pseudoplans for better health care.

    Comment by Frontier Former Editor — September 20, 2007 @ 2:39 pm

  4. What a shame Mr Guiliani wasn’t in England when he was ill then.
    Please let me know if there is any way I can make it up to you for this.

    Comment by Vicus Scurra — September 20, 2007 @ 5:32 pm

  5. Yes. Please go back in time and have Bomber Harris target the village from whence Mr. Giuliani’s ancestors came. Maybe that would take care of the root of the problem . . . . .

    Comment by Frontier Former Editor — September 20, 2007 @ 5:44 pm

  6. (Heh-heh. People in East London say “National ‘Elf Services”.)

    Having seen the way single-payer centralized medicine programs work in other countries, I wonder why we can’t get our act together over here. Apart from Medicaid/Medicare and cringe-worthy free clinics, we have fuck all for those that most need it. Is it big, bloated and inefficient? Absolutely! Is it better than what we have now? For 80% or better of Americans, yes!

    Comment by Soylent Ape — September 20, 2007 @ 11:01 pm

  7. FFE “… Sometimes the good must be inefficient …”

    Vous avez raison – compassion and efficiency do not always go together

    Life is full of Paradoxes – efficiency isn’t always efficient

    BUT as Eeyore used to say :

    “I don’t care who you blame as long as you don’t blame me”

    The Eagle Family did its inAdequate best in the late misunderstandings with the German/Italian Defenders of “Civilisation”, – in Italy, Grandad Eagle somehow survived his interactions with his German Feonds and with his American Freonds

    – but no-one told him to “improve” Mr Giuliani’s village and if he has been ordered to so improve the same, he would have presumably missed – British bomb-sights were somewhat imprecise

    Yr obedt servt etc

    G E

    Comment by G Eagle Esq — September 21, 2007 @ 3:56 pm

  8. I dunno GE – that H2S gave a pretty good radar picture . . . .

    Comment by Frontier Former Editor — September 21, 2007 @ 11:01 pm

  9. Hi,

    Prosate cancer is very dangrous …

    But We have to fight it ..

    And i think we will find midicne for it

    Comment by tareq — December 27, 2007 @ 7:30 am


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